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		<title>Price on Carbon is Pragmatic Because It Reflects Reality</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>We can price carbon different ways, and we should, because the cost of carbon is unavoidable &#160; “Climate Action Policies &#38; Pragmatism’s Two Goals: Pricing Carbon Was Our Political Potemkin&#8230;</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://davidguenette.com/price-on-carbon-is-pragmatic-because-it-reflects-reality/">Price on Carbon is Pragmatic Because It Reflects Reality</a> first appeared on <a href="https://davidguenette.com">David Guenette</a>.</p>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h3>We can price carbon different ways, and we should, because the cost of carbon is unavoidable</h3>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>“<a href="https://www.climatehopetogether.com/p/climate-action-policies-and-pragmatisms">Climate Action Policies &amp; Pragmatism’s Two Goals: Pricing Carbon Was Our Political Potemkin Village</a>,” is a recent post by Jim Ball and his Substack <em>Climate Hope Together</em>. It is an interesting post recapping Ball’s years in the “DC climate/environment/clean energy scene.” In the post he argues that the price on carbon, which was the leading policy choice of the wayback time, was heralded by neoclassical economists and that the various carbon pricing policy proposals suffered from a lack of pragmatism.</p>
<figure id="attachment_3140" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3140" style="width: 580px" class="wp-caption alignnone"><img fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" class="wp-image-3140 size-large" src="https://davidguenette.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Screenshot-climate-hope-together-A-580x1024.png" alt="" width="580" height="1024" srcset="https://davidguenette.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Screenshot-climate-hope-together-A-580x1024.png 580w, https://davidguenette.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Screenshot-climate-hope-together-A-283x500.png 283w, https://davidguenette.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Screenshot-climate-hope-together-A-768x1356.png 768w, https://davidguenette.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Screenshot-climate-hope-together-A-870x1536.png 870w, https://davidguenette.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Screenshot-climate-hope-together-A.png 1027w" sizes="(max-width: 580px) 100vw, 580px" /><figcaption id="caption-attachment-3140" class="wp-caption-text">Jim Ball&#8217;s Climate Hope Together is a <em>cri du cœur</em> for the climate movement, which is something welll-needed. I found this post, however, a bit dismissive of fossil fuel&#8217;s real costs as part of the rallying cry.</figcaption></figure>
<p>Maybe so. Of course, no one having a time machine makes such second-guessing academic. Nonetheless, acknowledging the price of carbon—and it is high!—is an essential element of the clean energy transition, if for no other reason than the issue of affordability has become linked to energy policy.</p>
<p>Ball’s <em>mea culp</em>a over his own involvement in this early thinking on carbon pricing is sincere and based on his newer understanding that driving down the costs of clean energy would have been the far better choice. Of course, to some degree, this is what Biden’s IIJA and IRA were doing, but that came along about two decades later.</p>
<p>He puts it this way (emphasis his):</p>
<p style="padding-left: 40px;"><em>Well, I was wrong.</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 40px;"><em>But there were a few folks who got it right back then who were part of a small, new DC think tank that wasn’t completely caught up in groupthink: <a href="https://itif.org/">ITIF</a>, the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation.</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 40px;"><em>They were focused on the price part, but they flipped the script.<strong> Instead of making the bad stuff cost more, let’s make the good stuff cost less.</strong></em></p>
<p>But of course. The weird thing is that the fossil fuel—“bad stuff”—does cost more and has been exacting a terrible price on the world. Don’t get me wrong—coal and oil and natural gas (a.k.a., methane) are great improvements over wood and the explosion of human population would not have been possible without the Industrial Revolution and fossil fuels. You can argue that the Earth would have been better off without an explosion in human population, considering that biodiversity loss and climate change have taken big hits from human population growth. I, for one, have no interest in figuring out which individuals made possible with the vastly expanded energy wealth that fossil fuels brought to the human race should be asked to leave the stage of human existence. That’s one of the problems with de-growth thinking, where humans are intrinsically thought of as some sort of planetary virus, whereas figuring out how humans can better steward the world in which they live seems the more interesting approach.</p>
<p>The fact is that until fairly recently fossil fuel has been a requirement to keep people alive, whether through expanded agricultural land use or energy to support science, medicine, shelter, and employment, along with so many other things. But it is now irrefutable that mankind’s use of fossil fuel has come at a cost. That cost is that we’ve managed to screw up the planetary systems through the burning of fossil fuels on a massive scale for now hundreds of years, and we’ve just started realizing there’s the bill coming due.</p>
<p>I’m arguing that realizing the real cost of fossil fuels isn’t us “making the bad stuff cost more.” The bad stuff has always cost more—much more—than we’ve been pretending and it’s time to stop pretending.</p>
<h2>Pragmatism is a Two-Way Street</h2>
<p>As an economy, not only have we ignored the real cost of fossil fuels, but we’ve also been pretending that fossil fuel is cheap, even while direct government subsidies and policies have artificially lowered the price of fossil fuel. We’re happy enough to celebrate every penny drop in the price at the gas pump, albeit with some of us feeling guilt. I recently posted on my website “Over-Complicating Climate Change Progress,” [ <a href="https://davidguenette.com/over-complicating-climate-change-progress/">https://davidguenette.com/over-complicating-climate-change-progress/</a> ] and there’s a header in this post titled “Understanding the Progress Underway and that Doing Nothing Is the Far More Expensive Choice,” and here’s part of that section that addresses the real costs of gasoline at the fuel pump:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 40px;"><em>One thing I’d love to see is the correction of the biggest failure for climate progress, which is ignoring our bullshit pricing of oil. Fossil fuels should carry the costs and consequences of their production, protection, and use, or what are referred to as “externalities.” Thanks to sneaky indirect subsidies, fossil fuels escape accounting and paying for the damages their product causes, an exceptional condition among businesses that usually include the cost of their product in the market price.</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 40px;"><em>So, let’s learn to talk about the real costs of fossil fuels. Let’s try to get this talk into the political discussion, especially at this time of affordability as an election issue.</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 40px;"><em>Fossil fuels are actually very expensive. The price at the pump doesn’t cover the actual costs. Here is an AI Summary table that addresses actual cost of a gallon of gas at the pump. Before you jump on me for providing something generated from AI, please understand that I know the sources and the arguments and that the exact and precise numbers are too complex to pin down to anything other than a range. Still, the table is convincing:</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 40px;"><strong><em>Pricing Scenarios: Current vs. True Cost</em></strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 40px;"><em>The table below highlights how different economic frameworks alter what you would actually pay at the pump to clear these hidden debts.</em></p>
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<td><strong><em>Pricing Model</em></strong></td>
<td><strong><em>Est. Cost per Gallon</em></strong></td>
<td width="302"><strong><em>What It Reflects</em></strong></td>
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<td><strong><em>Current Retail Price</em></strong></td>
<td><em>~$3.50 – $3.80</em></td>
<td width="302"><em>Covers private supply costs (extraction, refining, retail margins) and standard state/federal fuel taxes.</em></td>
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<td><strong><em>IMF “Socially Efficient” Price</em></strong></td>
<td><em>~$7.00 – $8.00</em></td>
<td width="302"><em>Supply costs plus conservative global warming and local air pollution impacts. This closely matches what drivers in Germany or France pay due to high corrective taxes.</em></td>
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<td><strong><em>Comprehensive Externalities Model</em></strong></td>
<td><em>~$12.00 – $15.00</em></td>
<td width="302"><em>Uses high-end “Social Cost of Carbon” estimates, factors in localized toxic evaporation, water table remediation, and dedicated military oil-security spending.</em></td>
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</tbody>
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<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>First, please note that this analysis was run before the Iran war further spiked pump prices. Second, before someone accuses me of sloppy math, I’m happy to admit fixing the exact cost on any particular application of fossil fuels is herculean. Fortunately, there’s no need for exactitude, which is why the above table has ranges. Want to argue the cost ranges? Fine. Make your case or leave it up to bureaucrats and technicians to assess for better specificity. But what is beyond question is that the cost of fossil fuel production and use is high and getting more expensive by the hour.</p>
<h2>Moral Power : People Power : Staying Power</h2>
<p>Ball’s post ends up a call for the Climate Movement (capitalization his) to heed the “magic word: pragmatism&#8230; and when it comes to legislation, our value of pragmatism has two goals: what works, and what can pass.”</p>
<p>I suspect a carbon fee and dividend approach is one workable way to start pricing real costs into fossil fuels while alleviating the poor of the additional cost burden, but there are other options. For instance, the federal government has built big things: There’s the TVA, and rural electrification, the moonwalk, the Manhattan Project, the Interstate Highway System, and any number of big wars (well, two!). We have a history of undertaking big projects in America and admittedly figuring out how to assess and price carbon sounds like a big project. Other examples of big projects are Biden’s IIJA and IRA, which were good starts and which should be revived, although there’s lots more than just carrots to consider.</p>
<figure id="attachment_3139" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3139" style="width: 500px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img decoding="async" class="size-medium wp-image-3139" src="https://davidguenette.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Screenshot-climate-hope-together-pragmatism-graphic-500x359.png" alt="" width="500" height="359" srcset="https://davidguenette.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Screenshot-climate-hope-together-pragmatism-graphic-500x359.png 500w, https://davidguenette.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Screenshot-climate-hope-together-pragmatism-graphic-1024x734.png 1024w, https://davidguenette.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Screenshot-climate-hope-together-pragmatism-graphic-768x551.png 768w, https://davidguenette.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Screenshot-climate-hope-together-pragmatism-graphic.png 1273w" sizes="(max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px" /><figcaption id="caption-attachment-3139" class="wp-caption-text">Here&#8217;s a graphic from Ball&#8217;s recent post, and there&#8217;s no arguing the point: we need to choose what works, but also what can legislatively pass (because otherwise it ain&#8217;t going to work). I&#8217;m suggesting that getting the real price of fossil fuels to be part of the discussion on costs of the clean energy transition is essential to what can pass.</figcaption></figure>
<p>Let’s also keep in mind that while Big Oil is powerful, its access to money (while impressive, as we all know) pales compared to what the United States can bring to bear. When it comes to carbon pricing, a good start would be eliminating direct subsidies and accounting for externalities. If Big Oil isn’t up to it, they can face lawsuits that likely will (unless sandbagged by the current SCOTUS) cost them a whole lot more of their obscene profits than a rational and ordered program for accounting for fossil fuel costs. We’re paying a high price in numbers of deaths and an increasingly threatened world, so let’s insist on a goddamn accurate invoice.</p>
<p>Hell, there’s even nationalization to consider since it is clear that the fossil fuel industry needs to phase out over time, but today there’s little sign of that from the big corporations themselves. In fact, there are plenty of indications that Big Oil is happy to threaten the economy with a massive wave of stranded assets by building (or trying to build) more and more gas generators, no doubt hoping that their business of selling stinky molecules continues well past the planet’s sell-by date.</p>
<p>Basically, Big Oil is a big punk.</p>
<p>The climate movement—which today is also the democracy movement and the affordability/energy wealth movement—needs to start telling the truth about fossil fuel costs. There’s nothing easy about any of this, but the oppressive expense of using fossil fuels is part of the real story of the clean energy transition. Fortunately, we have established a better alternative to fossil fuels to build the world’s energy wealth and the advantages of clean energy are multiplying by the second: cheaper, safer, faster, smarter, and more likely to support a stable international order and fewer resource conflicts.</p>
<p>The rest of my advice on how to establish a perfect world?</p>
<p>Stay tuned, of course.</p><p>The post <a href="https://davidguenette.com/price-on-carbon-is-pragmatic-because-it-reflects-reality/">Price on Carbon is Pragmatic Because It Reflects Reality</a> first appeared on <a href="https://davidguenette.com">David Guenette</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded>
					
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